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    Discussions on the Purple Knife's skill options

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    • 81.233.102.117
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      Torrent of ... and a def/wis buff 

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    • Overmage
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      Overmage

      ^ sounds about right

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    • Casal9712
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      my top choice would definitely be icestorm / torrent of flame

      but consider raid boss event, also thinking of flash of rage

      Is there any EP or above with Reposte other than Aegis, the Bulwark? with her high atk, this could come in handy.

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    • Zleto
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      Zleto

      Been looking at the options here. Not so good.

      The best solution seems to be:

      1. OFF

      2. OPEN

      3. DEF

      to take advantage of each "slot".

      If they fix the issue with stacking the skills it could be different.


      Seems like buinding a glass cannon could be expensive and not that much efficient. (3x OFFENSE)

      So option 1 would be:

      - OPEN

      - 2 times the same OFFENSE. (if stacks well)

      Option 2 would be:

      - OPEN

      - DEF

      - ATK.


      Seems like openings are quite bad for us ...

      - Grace of winds 3 (30% WIS) from eton ... let's guess its price now ^^ Was already rare before the rush.

      - Grace of winds 2 (20%) from adonis ... not "MUCH". Maybe can add a chance to strike sooner, but not any other real help here ... :S

      - Boon of WIS and DEF : (20% in both) seems like interesting. Will require evil Eye, unique familiar to have it. Will become very rare. Seen actually at 27 GH. (epic 3*) ...

      - Guild of runes (esmeraldathe cuning or something like this): Very easy to get fam, gives 50% WIS boost (very nice for OS with torrent of flame). More like a glass cannon. May be a very decent moove but only boosts champ or back formations of (only) WIS atk based dudes. (army of Odins, we all have tons of the no?)

      Other OPENINGS doesn't seem good.


      The ATK:

      - "Torent of" is the best. My favourite for now is Torrent of venom. 100% WIS (VS 80% from thundercloud) + 100% poison obtainable for almost nothing. Chimaera to manticore and there you go !! Making two of them quickly helps boosting the proc rate and with guild of runes you can be a very hard WIS based hitter. Not perfect in PVP (Poison useless) but could be excellent in Boss fights. (makes crazy damage over time on raid bosses)

      - Flash of rage ... if you can affort killing two Odin's, why not. Maybe epic from pacts can be used in here ... still expensive. Added it's 540% damage but guaranteed all the time. That makes the difference. (6*90%)

      - Torrent of flame, the UBER MASTER POWER. Kill a sekhmet aflame ^^ or a faf. Gives a wicked 200% WIS. If procs Vs 5 it's 1000% damage @_@ (*50% boost of guild of runes ... (crazy shit)

      - Fire whirlwind, a very cheap (henwas) improvement over thundercloud, stackable easily for almost no cost. 100% WIS vs 3 random. (better than the shitty thundercloud) but no stun / freeze. So depends on your luck ;)

      - Icestrom (compares with torrent of flame in power) ... will require managarmrrrrmrmrmmrrrr. So ... let's say crazy expensive.

      - Plasma Field also at 200% Vs ALL. Will require very rare grim executioner ... :(

      -Torrent of ice could be very interesting. Everyone (that can) will go for faf, then, nidhogg will be very nice because PVP he can stun ALL opponents and still deal a doog 100% WIS.


      Whaddya think?

      EDIT: Hellfire is useless in my opinion. Expensive to get and worse than torrent of venom :)

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    • Kingknoest
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      I stacked 2 torrents of flame, so ashamed its bugged. The third is guile of runes, which boosts my other Odin's quite alot... ;) On the side two Managarmers, they are quite efficient on their own.

      So, if you have 2 independent hard hitters on the side, just boosts the 3 in the middle with either ATK, AGI or WIS and make sure the adjacent fams fit that skill. That way, good setup imho!

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    • 198.103.152.51
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      this has totally whacked the prices in bazaar.  anyway.

      even with a grace of winds proc she will not beat golden lancer or red samurai in speed.

      the only worthwhile torrent is torrent of flame, and given any random pvp battle all these "hit everything once" skills will only hit 3 on average.

      first skill, she has high wisdom so her buffs are good.  she should use one.  choices are:

      agility, not enough to beat a golden lancer

      attack, might not survive the first round

      wisdom, might not survive the first round

      defense, this is what i'm thinking, so that she would survive the opening round.  i'm trying might of shields (narluce steel knight).  but could have been blade ward i guess (hippogrif?)

      second skill, she has high attack and wisdom.  she should most definitely get rid of thundercloud.  it's terrible.  it hits UP TO 3 targets.  meaning even if there are 5 of them she might only hit 1.  same with electric shock (thor).  might only hit 1.  the AOE ones are useless for bosses and on average will not hit any more targets than the ones that hit 3, ie: if it procs in the 2nd round.  i could only recommend icestorm or torrent of flame.  so might as well take the one that has highest multiplier that hits every target randomly.  shadow volley, venomstorm, berserk, barrage, charge, fire whirlwind, whorl of wisdom, flash of rage, ice fist, flame fist.  don't bother with brawl.  it hits 3 times but is position based, so the wisdom ones are better.  venomstorm is great also for bosses and is the same 150% as shadow volley.  berserk would do a little more in pvp.

      anyway, can't remember my train of thought, got distracted.

      1. might of shields

      2. venomstorm

      3. ???

      profit!

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    • Zleto
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      Kingknoest wrote:
      I stacked 2 torrents of flame, so ashamed its bugged. The third is guile of runes, which boosts my other Odin's quite alot... ;) On the side two Managarmers, they are quite efficient on their own.

      You added with Faninr 1* or Faf II? :)

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    • 198.103.152.51
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      oh yeah, if i followed my logic.  might want to counter attack.  shield and dagger and she would be dead on the first round if she takes too much damage.  so might of shields + cloak and dagger.

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    • Zleto
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      first skill, she has high wisdom so her buffs are good.  she should use one.  choices are:

      agility, not enough to beat a golden lancer

      attack, might not survive the first round

      wisdom, might not survive the first round

      defense, this is what i'm thinking, so that she would survive the opening round.  i'm trying might of shields (narluce steel knight).  but could have been blade ward i guess (hippogrif?)


      Yeah well, ATK, it's not a good choice I think because it's positioned based, and she's weak in def. So I you want it to hit hard, you'll have to put her in front, where she'll die first shot in all cases now :S

      AGI you got a point. This is why Boon of WIS and DEF could be nice. Help "a bit" her offense, help all team's DEF and let her stay in the back.

      Bladeward might be very helpful as we are always dying because of the FAST hitters as GoL / ... The other, we might be able to wipe them out before they really do damage


      second skill, she has high attack and wisdom. she should most definitely get rid of thundercloud. it's terrible. it hits UP TO 3 targets. meaning even if there are 5 of them she might only hit 1. same with electric shock (thor). might only hit 1. the AOE ones are useless for bosses and on average will not hit any more targets than the ones that hit 3, ie: if it procs in the 2nd round. i could only recommend icestorm or torrent of flame. so might as well take the one that has highest multiplier that hits every target randomly. shadow volley, venomstorm, berserk, barrage, charge, fire whirlwind, whorl of wisdom, flash of rage, ice fist, flame fist. don't bother with brawl. it hits 3 times but is position based, so the wisdom ones are better. venomstorm is great also for bosses and is the same 150% as shadow volley. berserk would do a little more in pvp.

      anyway, can't remember my train of thought, got distracted.


      Already explained why ATK based are not so good (In my opinion) for her. Therefore berserk / flame fist not recommended.

      Can we all eat Fafnirs? :D


      Now if two buffs can exist in the same time ... boosting WIS *50% (of it's own wis) + bladeward + Torrent of flame can make it extremely hard to kill.

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    • 83.161.157.10
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      I now have ToFlame, Rush and Thundercloud. She'll be part of the core of my team: Ghis & Griffin & PK. I plan to go for Guile of Runes + ToF + Massive Assault, to have an allround warlord - for PVP and PVE (event bosses). Her AGI is quite okay to attack early on, maybe not as quick as GM or GL, but her ATT means nice damage, definitely when buffed. If I can get my hands on an Odin however... Anyways, ToF will be her best PVP skill, with MA being not a bad second best. In boss events, obviously MA will be her better skill, but with GoR, ToF won't do too bad.

      I think this skill update for warlords have balanced out things more. With PK, you can go three ways really - STR based, WIS based, AGI based. She may not be the best at either three compared to other warlords but she's quite allround in this way. Too bad for her low def, perhaps I'll try to get my hands on a def raising familiar for future PVP.

      You can take her to the front if you like a risk, but backline she'd be awesome too.

      Oh... I remember the days when she had the crappy Thundercloud skill. *wipes away a tear* hahaha.

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    • 198.103.152.51
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      Zleto wrote:

      Yeah well, ATK, it's not a good choice

      AGI you got a point. This is why Boon of WIS and DEF could be nice. Help "a bit" her offense, help all team's DEF and let her stay in the back.

      Bladeward might be very helpful as we are always dying because of the FAST hitters as GoL / ... The other, we might be able to wipe them out before they really do damage

      Already explained why ATK based are not so good (In my opinion) for her. Therefore berserk / flame fist not recommended.

      Can we all eat Fafnirs? :D

      agree with boon of mind and shield if 20% buff is enough to survive agility opponents.  if it is just barely enough, then 20% wisdom boost is a good idea.

      with boon of mind and shield, then i also agree that wisdom attacks are best, and torrent of flame / icestorm / whiteout / flash of rage.  the only affordable one in there is torrent of flame.

      then remains a third skill.

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    • Roxorpancakes
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      There any decent "Defensive" skill?

      RIght now im using, in order

      Syphon - Def

      Boon of Mind & Shield

      Torrent of Flame


      Put Syphon first in case some decent/good defensive skill comes out later

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    • 68.120.145.91
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      Thinking Blades+Berserk, but I've got two Bungas. Probably just avoid all Grey Mages, but I'm not too worried about Golden Lance. Other slots might go to a Leon and a Hippogriff to try to go full defensive.

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    • Kingknoest
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      reply to #8
      Zleto wrote:
      Kingknoest wrote:
      I stacked 2 torrents of flame, so ashamed its bugged. The third is guile of runes, which boosts my other Odin's quite alot... ;) On the side two Managarmers, they are quite efficient on their own.
      You added with Faninr 1* or Faf II? :)


      2 Fafnir **, but does that matter? Did'nt knwo that... ;)

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    • Casal9712
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      Roxorpancakes wrote:
      There any decent "Defensive" skill?

      RIght now im using, in order

      Syphon - Def

      Boon of Mind & Shield

      Torrent of Flame


      Put Syphon first in case some decent/good defensive skill comes out later


      I think for defensive skill, she would be best to use Riposte, with her high ATK, this would be nice for some extra atk from her when she is attacked, however, the only EP or above fam that has that is Aegis.

      Also, what is the actual buff for mind and shield?? The skill's name is "Boon of mind and shield" when you check the Fam info, no number after that, but when he proc, it says "Boon mind and shield 2".

      So how much buff does it do?

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    • Hunkfish
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      83.161.157.10 wrote:
      Oh... I remember the days when she had the crappy Thundercloud skill. *wipes away a tear* hahaha.

      LOL I REMEMBER THE DAYS when she had the SUPER CRAPPY BIND SKILL that don't even "BIND"!!!??@$%@$%#!#!#!!!! "WIPE AWAY ALL THE  TEARS THAT I EVEN CRIED!!!! when getting crushed by golden lance over and over again

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    • Roxorpancakes
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      Casal9712 wrote:
      Roxorpancakes wrote:
      There any decent "Defensive" skill?

      RIght now im using, in order

      Syphon - Def

      Boon of Mind & Shield

      Torrent of Flame


      Put Syphon first in case some decent/good defensive skill comes out later


      I think for defensive skill, she would be best to use Riposte, with her high ATK, this would be nice for some extra atk from her when she is attacked, however, the only EP or above fam that has that is Aegis.

      Also, what is the actual buff for mind and shield?? The skill's name is "Boon of mind and shield" when you check the Fam info, no number after that, but when he proc, it says "Boon mind and shield 2".

      So how much buff does it do?

      I believe its 20% of the Fam's wisdom? so for a max level purple knife about 3k.

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    • 198.103.223.51
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      Casal9712 wrote:

      I think for defensive skill, she would be best to use Riposte, with her high ATK, this would be nice for some extra atk from her when she is attacked, however, the only EP or above fam that has that is Aegis.

      Also, what is the actual buff for mind and shield?? The skill's name is "Boon of mind and shield" when you check the Fam info, no number after that, but when he proc, it says "Boon mind and shield 2".

      So how much buff does it do?

      It adds 20% of caster's wisdom to everyone's defense and wisdom.

      Probably riposte is a waste at that price.  If she takes any shields & dagger or cloak & dagger she may die too soon.  Maybe one of the revive skills.  The healing ones/ syphons are pointless because what if your familiar is already dead?  I've never used it.  Does healing/ syphon activate before the familiar is dead?  If it does not then a rezzer would be better.  Like Freila or Marjory.

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    • Zleto
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      reply to #16
      Casal9712 wrote:
      Roxorpancakes wrote:
      There any decent "Defensive" skill?

      RIght now im using, in order

      Syphon - Def

      Boon of Mind & Shield

      Torrent of Flame


      Put Syphon first in case some decent/good defensive skill comes out later


      I think for defensive skill, she would be best to use Riposte, with her high ATK, this would be nice for some extra atk from her when she is attacked, however, the only EP or above fam that has that is Aegis.

      Also, what is the actual buff for mind and shield?? The skill's name is "Boon of mind and shield" when you check the Fam info, no number after that, but when he proc, it says "Boon mind and shield 2".

      So how much buff does it do?


      Yes 20% for WIS and 20% for DEF.

      Not as good as +50% from esme for WIS, but it will profit for all team ==> Lowering damage received from ATK (DEF) and WIS (WIS) and also improving averall survivability and Magic damage.

      Very consensual, I agree.

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    • Rustabajen
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      Im going SoB from Griffin, Berserk for mega dmg on raid bosses, and pvp ofc, but since ill have her in rear line, ill add ToF for high dmg in pvp too :) 

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    • 93.81.250.79
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      Is it possible to sacrifice Fafnir* 99lvl for skill or I should have exactly Fafnir** 99? 

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    • Roxorpancakes
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      Roxorpancakes

      fafnir* will work

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    • 180.178.109.19
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      wait u can actually replace her original skill (thundercloud)?  how do i do that?

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    • Rustabajen
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      if u add 3 new skills, the oldest will be replaced. So when u add the third new skill, Thundercloud will be replaced by the newest :)

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    • Casal9712
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      Before they did the row back, I have faced a pvp team with Black Brute, he proc berserk and massive assualt in the same battle. it makes me feel that I can put torrent of flame and flage of rage for purple knife while most of the info I got so far is I can only put 1 attack skills because the only 1 is randomly pick to proc for 1 battle. Hope to get some confirmation on this.

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    • Rustabajen
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      ofc you can give PK ToF and FoR, but the thing is, that they can only proc one skill every turn, so thats why alot of people think its a waste to add two or more attackskills. 

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    • 70.30.238.70
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      With her high WIS, I'm thinking ToF, GoR (will kick upWIS for an adjacent Odin I got) and for the third still split between Greater Recall from Archibishop or Mass Greater Heal fro Succubus. Leaning towards MGH since it seems to depend on WIS and should really kick ass from her.

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    • MajorTrbl
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      The problem with Syphon or recall skill in my opinion is that it might proc instead of ToF in awkward moments. Let's say that you and your opponent in PvP have both your Warlords left with 1HP each. It's your turn, and you only have to hit him once to win the fight. But instead the Syphon or recall procs, and your opponent might proc some of his offensive skills, resulting in your loss.

      I just cannot figure out which defensive skill to choose. C&D or S&D feel inappropriate since you will want to use your WL for as long as possible in the fight.. 

      Riposte would be my first choice, though as far as I know there's no epic with that skill.

      Any suggestions?

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    • Sir Machius
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      MajorTrbl wrote:
      The problem with Syphon or recall skill in my opinion is that it might proc instead of ToF in awkward moments. Let's say that you and your opponent in PvP have both your Warlords left with 1HP each. It's your turn, and you only have to hit him once to win the fight. But instead the Syphon or recall procs, and your opponent might proc some of his offensive skills, resulting in your loss.

      Syphon is a reactive skill like C/S&Dagger and Riposte it will never proc instead of ToF.

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    • 168.244.164.254
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      if you have multiple attack skills only one will proc per turn. If you have three attack skills all three can proc in a single battle, but it would be on three different turns.

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    • Casal9712
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      OK, that clear out my confusions. So any agreement of what Purple Knife should add since the 3 skills are back. Still thinking what would be the best defense skills that she could use? 

      Current plan: Boon of Mind and Shield 2 + torrent of flame or flash of rage + defensive skill

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    • 83.32.202.159
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      reply to #26
      Casal9712 wrote:
      it makes me feel that I can put torrent of flame and flage of rage for purple knife while most of the info I got so far is I can only put 1 attack skills because the only 1 is randomly pick to proc for 1 battle.

      You can put two offensive skills. Whenever a skill triggers, one of those you have will be picked. It is not "by battle" but by "skill trigger". Only one skill can trigger in a turn (of the same type), BUT all skills can trigger in the same battle over the course of multiple turns (except opening skills which have only one chance, and only one of them may trigger in a battle).

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    • 198.103.223.51
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      Casal9712 wrote:
      OK, that clear out my confusions. So any agreement of what Purple Knife should add since the 3 skills are back. Still thinking what would be the best defense skills that she could use? 

      Current plan: Boon of Mind and Shield 2 + torrent of flame or flash of rage + defensive skill


      i've put, as someone else has, syphon for my "reactive" skill.  i put it first in the list in case a riposter comes around that isn't too expensive.

      heals-revives will use up your attack (if there is any healing-reviving to be done).  and, since your warlord is most probably the best damage-per-round in your squad you don't want her wasting damage healing/reviving the other meatbags.

      so, syphon, boon of mind and shield 2, flash of rage.  that's what i put.  torrent of flames is less expensive, but since she is not the quickest, there may already be dead targets, therefor wasting ToF effectiveness.  it's also not useful against raid bosses.  when a PvP battle comes up, i avoid golden lancers and riposters.

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    • 76.69.223.213
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      MajorTrbl wrote:
      The problem with Syphon or recall skill in my opinion is that it might proc instead of ToF in awkward moments. Let's say that you and your opponent in PvP have both your Warlords left with 1HP each. It's your turn, and you only have to hit him once to win the fight. But instead the Syphon or recall procs, and your opponent might proc some of his offensive skills, resulting in your loss.

      I just cannot figure out which defensive skill to choose. C&D or S&D feel inappropriate since you will want to use your WL for as long as possible in the fight.. 

      Riposte would be my first choice, though as far as I know there's no epic with that skill.

      Any suggestions?


      IMHO if Greater Recall procs in such a situation and you got two strong fams on the side, you win.

      I'm still thinking Mass Heal instead, since it will keep more units in the battle longer and work on self too.

      So far, I'm thinking my stack will be MGH, GoR, ToF, with an Odin to the left, and Adonis to the right, to maximize WIS gains. Putting Gib instead of adonis is really tempting, but his DEF sucks.

      I'm also thinking yo keep an Evil Eye 2 on team to boost DEF and WIS even more, and a stacked Bunga to last longer.

      This setup is to max out PvP power, but also good for front line raids because the boosted Adonis will in turn boost my Artemisia and Sidhe in the second line which should do nicely.

      Thoughts?

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    • NosferatuZero
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      I definetely won't pick Greater Recall or Mass heal. It could proc instead of your attack spell. So that is, it probably safer to play without a DEF slot S&D and C&D will kill your warlord if it procs.

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    • Ender133
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      I've given up on PK as a tier 1 PVP WL so I've made her a raid boss specialist with Venomstorm and SOb2.  This takes advantage of high attack w/ venomstorm and also boosts the whole team a lot with sob2.  I've been using syphon as a filler skill so nothing competes with venomstorm

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    • Sir Machius
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      I've gone with Syphon, Grace of Winds 2 and Torrent of Flame.

      Syphon - Reactive skill doesn't interfere with the others, not the most useful skill but Cloak/Shield & Dagger are pretty much suicide options with PK's lowish defensive stats, if they ever give us a Riposte option which wasn't an L like Aegis i'd change it to that in a second.

      Grace of Winds 2 - speed wins fights, I considered the other buff options but having my entire team go first in many fights was just better than the WIS/DEF boost of Boon of Mind & Shield 2 (the right choice if you've got an all WIS team) especially since my team is more ATK focused. Obviously Grace of Winds 3 would be better but I couldn't justify the cost of getting an Eton.

      Torrent of Flame - Alround good AoE attack, the other option is Flash of Rage but Torrent is cheaper to get and is generally better for PvP (although not as good in Raid).

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    • 77.21.84.51
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      What would you prefer: Desna-Bunga-PK-Bunga-Desna Skills for PK: SoB, Ice Fist or Berserk (will it stack Probability, if you have it twice?) Or this one: Thor-Thor-PK-Thor-Thor Skills for PK: Boon of Mind & Shield 2 + two random wis-based procs (only if they stack). How long would they survive in rear? Last one would be very good in a Raid Boss Event wouldn't it?

      Ty for your opinions.

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    • NosferatuZero
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      No, it won't because Thor will hit boss only 1 time

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    • 82.157.58.82
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      I have my warlord setup in the middle of my party (im using the all-rear lineup).

      She is between a griffin mount II, giving her a giant att boost, and on the other side she has a Narluce, Steel knight II which gives her a massive defense boost.

      She has Boon of mind and shield on herself.

      So when they all proc, she gets around 6k attack + 9k def + 3k wisdom. She becomes very hard to kill after all those buffs.

      Her other 2 skills are berserk and Torrent of Flame. Whenever torrent of flame procs, the other team is pretty much dead.

      I gave her berserk because of the 16k attack she has, and combined with the griffin, she can kill 2-4 enemies (in pvp) + its better in boss battles where she will do 480% of her attack on the raid boss.

      On the other side of my Narluce, I have a Fafnir** which can deal huge dmg thanks to boon of mind and shield.

      On the other side of my Griffin, I have master zeku II who can dish out 35k dmg attacks from the backline (when griffin procs).

      And all the buffs together make my team really tanky. Both my warlord and fafnir can deal 10k+ dmg to every enemy.

      They usually survive the agility parties long enough to proc their abilities. But if they dont they will lose (of course!).

      And the team is still no match for the parties that use only ghislandi, lanvall, odin and stuff like that. But they beat most other parties.

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    • 204.93.60.171
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      which best for her Torrent of Venom or Venomstorm plz help me

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    • 199.27.76.23
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      venomstorm if u ask me - deals approx 12-15k dmg to 3 foes (or 3 times on boss)

      my choice been so far : Torrent of flame , speed sap 3 and electric shock (ive set on PvP)

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      The WIS bonus does some sick stacking on raids, I put a low level pan next to her, and when her Guile of Runes procs, a cheap 1* pan next to her was just about doubling my whole party's attack. Ones who did 8-9K/hit ended up doing 15k-18k

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    • 80.144.229.122
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      If you got a ATK based team i would give her Strengh of Blades 1, Ice Fist , Torrent of Flame. :)

      This should kinda rocks in PVP and PVE. I just set up my WL in the middle and put a Ghislandi and Andorra beside her. The hits on Raid Bosses is just insane. With 5x boost and strengh of blades each hit of Barrage hits like 250k or more ^^

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      I'm starting to think that the choice between Greater Recall and Berserk is made before the game checks if Greater Recall can activate. I haven't started recording numbers, but my Berserk proc rate is feeling much closer to 15% than to 30%. 


      I am probably going to throw a Syphon on just to push Greater Recall off the stack.

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      Does Whorl of Wisdom, Torrent of Venom, and Boon of Mind and Shield 2 help with anything with my Purple Knife? If there's something I can change in that setup, or suggestions, I'm listening ^^

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      is venomstorm, torrent of flame, and boon of mind and shield alright for her?

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      is venomstorm, torrent of flame, boon of might and shield alright?

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    • 198.103.152.51
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      reply to #39
      77.21.84.51 wrote:
      What would you prefer:

      Desna-Bunga-PK-Bunga-Desna Skills for PK: SoB, Ice Fist or Berserk (will it stack Probability, if you have it twice?) Or this one: Thor-Thor-PK-Thor-Thor Skills for PK: Boon of Mind & Shield 2 + two random wis-based procs (only if they stack). How long would they survive in rear? Last one would be very good in a Raid Boss Event wouldn't it?

      Ty for your opinions.

      I wouldn't bother with Bunga.  He's popular but he doesn't do any actual damage.  He'll die instead of the familiar who does damage, but why not use 2 MORE familiars that do damage?  I'd go with 2xDesna and 2xThor.  BoMaS is the skill you suggest that will increase, on average, everyone's defense and wisdom by 2181 pts each (lvl170+crystal purple knife).

      But you mention your attack skill you may choose, both of those are attack based, so perhaps you would rather put them like this, Thor-Desna-PK-Desna-Thor, SoB (increase ATK by 6543 on average for Desna, PK and Desna and put Ice Fist on your PK.

      It won't stack, even if you put it twice.  Putting any unit in the rear that is not strictly a wisdom proc familiar is pointless and dangerous if you are, in fact, facing a wisdom proc team.

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      is agi attacks like rush, or atk based attacks considered physical damage? Because if it is, im considering using blade ward to reduce damage, planing a 5 rear end wind, succu,pega,esme,PK,hippo?

      im confused if there are only 2 kinds of attacks, physical and magic. are there any other more kind? thanks

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      Breath and Torrent attacks aren't affected by magic ward.

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      reply to #51
      112.205.66.57 wrote:
      is agi attacks like rush, or atk based attacks considered physical damage? Because if it is, im considering using blade ward to reduce damage, planing a 5 rear end wind, succu,pega,esme,PK,hippo?

      im confused if there are only 2 kinds of attacks, physical and magic. are there any other more kind? thanks

      See discussion here: http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/59207/t1824616-blade-break-3-vs-blade-ward-2/#0

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      there is breath atack also.

      like torrent of poison.

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      reply to #51
      112.205.66.57 wrote:
      is agi attacks like rush, or atk based attacks considered physical damage? Because if it is, im considering using blade ward to reduce damage, planing a 5 rear end wind, succu,pega,esme,PK,hippo?

      im confused if there are only 2 kinds of attacks, physical and magic. are there any other more kind? thanks


      if you use blade ward you leave yourself open to wisdom based attacks, but i guess it might be a good trade off.

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      So I ended up putting Syphon, GoW2 and ToF on my PK. Now I'm kind of regretting not putting some kind of WIS buff on her.

      I haven't really ironed out what kind of group I want it to  be. Right now it's a mixture of ATK and WIS. I'm building up some AGI damage. Right now I have Izuna-Prince Asterios-PK-Gathgoic-Empusa. Yeah, hot mess. I don't know where I'm headed! Building a Zeku too! Gath pretty much saves my ass. If he procs, I usually win. If not, I tend to lose :-( So now I'm trying to figure out how to strengthen my group. Just started playing the beginning of Feb so getting some of the bigger fams is difficult. I got lucky to draw a Gathgoic.

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    • 58.146.106.81
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      what should i add to her berserk or flash of rage skill please help me

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    • Rustabajen
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      well... since Odin is pretty expensive, i would go for a pretty cheap Rodion for Berserk.. but FoR (flash of rage) is a better skill.

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      Since Purple Knife's stats is High ATK and WIS, the skill layout for my purple knife is:

      berserk, strength of blades (from griffon), Syphon

      And due to my formation layout, it worked for me.

      Random, Galahad, PK, Galahad, Random

      this is quite a budget way for me to build up Purple Knife (cashless player here)

      Strength of blades - i choose this instead of 2/3/4 due to the fact that its 50% modifier of WIS, SOB 2 is 20%, SOB 3 is 30%, SOB 4 is 40%, 50% of 15,279 WIS (~7,640) added to Galahad's max ATK (6,721) is about 14,361 ATK and due to Galahad's Grace of Wind proc, there is a certainity that PK and Galahad will strike 1st and not forgetting Galahad has double strike.

      Berserk - with SOB proc and PK's max ATK is 15,781, Total ATK should be 7,640+15,781= 23,421, Berserk deals 80% of ATK (80% of 23,421) thats about 18,737 ATK per strike to 6 targets.

      Syphon - will be the better defense skill, since def skill (eg cloak, shoud, cloak and dagger and etc) are just suicidal for PK (PK def is weak)

      this build up might not be the best but at least for a budget player like me, it serve its purpose well.

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    • 90.231.209.181
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      Cant we all say that torrent of flame is soo boring, but very effective in pvp,   but I´d rather have a balanced hero in both pvp and raidbosses.

      thats why I have decided that I will aim

      1. Str of Blades (griffin)

      2. Head bash (uber at raids, kills in pvp)

      3. syphon?  hmm, cloakn dagger?   hard to say,  

      well, order would ofc be

      syph, str, bash

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    • 183.90.103.171
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      i've got str of blades 2, ToF, and Venomstorm on my PK now..

      planning on switching ToF to syphon and Venomstorm to Berserk...any opinions?

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    • NosferatuZero
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      Remember just one thing, Berserk is 6x80% ATK. VenomStorm is 3x150% ATK, so Bersek is stronger unless you play vs "counter" team. By example, vs RS + SoB + SnD, you should pick VenomStorm.

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      First things first, yes Str of blades + berserk would do a ton of damage. And it is obvious that you are going with an attack team, which berserk will fit right in..

      Thus said, ToF is absolutely ridiculous! I personally could NEVER remove it for a skill like syphon ( PK has no def so you MIGHT be able to use syphon once in a fight.. if youre lucky and she doesnt die in one hit. I realize that there is a "bug" that doesnt allow two offensive skills to roll if the first fails, but without the bug I would have to say that your current build is a great all around build (tof for everything and venomstorm for raid bosses, I prefer boon of mind but i run a full wis team)

      It is hard for me to waste space and put a syphon skill or shield and dagger on my PK because it really wont help anything, I laugh when i come up on these people with shield and dag on PKs, because i personally would rather one of my lind rose with 13.5k hp and 13k def and a 100% damage skill take a hit than my PK with a crit that can win any fight from behind. PK just isnt a def warlord and there is nothing out there defensively to help (i guess riposte would be cool if you can spare 400 gh on an add skill).. I will hold on to my tof and venom and hope they crit appropriately, with venom hitting raid bosses, until the bug is fixed because syphon is such a waste even being that it is the best choice for a def skill on PK

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      Sorry dude, but why did you say that it's a bug ? I believe it works like expected. Your warlord has 3 slots, 1 attack, 1 buff and 1 reactive. So pick one like Tof ( Attack ), BoM ( Buff ) and Syphon ( Reactive, just because Riposte is too expensive and S&D,C&D are just suicide ). So you have 30% chance that each spell proc ( even if Syphon sucks, i'm agree ).

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      Its actually fixed as of yesterday* what im referring to is the fact that multiple attack spells would not have a chance to roll individually and instead it would pick just one and roll it for 30%. As of the update yesterday they now roll individually, i.e. I have ToF and Venomstorm on a PK, when it attacks it will roll ToF for a 30% proc rate, if this does not crit then it will roll Venomstorm for 30%, if neither of these proc then it normally attacks. Before it did not roll both individually so stacking attack skills whether the same or different was useless. Now it improves your chance to crit, thus stacking now will give you around a 40-45% chance for that skill, or an attack skill period if these said skills are different, to proc (rolling 30% 2x consecutively, there is a formula to find % but im too tired atm to do the math). You obviously could never use two attack skills in one turn, but now it will let you ROLL for the second or third if they are slotted and the previous roll does not turn up a crit. Thus said 2 attack skills (whether stacking or different skills) should be MUCH preferred to syphon which has a 30% chance to heal one adjacent IF you manage to live through the initial hit, lowering its chance by about half to the same 15ish% that your second attack spell would have, now idk about you but id rather have a 15% chance to proc ToF or Berserk than syphon

      Example, If i add Boon of mind, ToF, and ToF i will have a 70% chance to proc boon still and ROUGHLY a 45% chance to proc ToF. If the second ToF is a Berserk than ill have a 30% on ToF and another 30% on berserk after the first roll, not adding the entire % but significantly increasing your chance for an attack skill to proc on that turn. Sorry for both the long posts

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      Has anyone considered Windcrush (from Gregoire) as an alternative to the much more expensive flash of rage? Its most certainly weaker but Greogoire is much easier to get.

      I was thinking of using Windcrush instead of Torrent of Flame so that my warlord is powerful against bosses but still very strong in PvP and general fighting.

      I also prefer the idea of windcrush over something like rush or berzerk because then I can buf it with the boon of mind and shield 2 while also buffing my fafnirs (vs PvP) or ogre marrowalki/randolph vs raid bosses (which some day will become Odins, of course). And since its wisdom based, it should be good in the back row, right?

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      may be windblast ( from gilbert ) is better than windcrush ... may be more expensive.

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      Yeah, Gilbert is way more expensive and there are hardly any in the Bazaar. Its likely better though.

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      My line up is: Xin Lon, the Blue Dragon II / Two-Headed Stormwyrm II / Purple Knife / Lindworm, Black Rose II / Fafnir, Fire Dragon II. I give her Boon of Mind and Shield and Windcrush. Windcrush, after buff does 8-9K damage in Pvp. Thinking to add Flash of Rage but it's expensive though.

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    • 90.154.219.98
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      For me best PK setup is TOF+ BoM + Syphon with 4 Fafnir II. Firstly i use 2 Fafnirs + 2 Argos II (Bunga is freakin expensive), but in the end 4 Fafnirs II is way better.

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      Mine that seems to be working really well is not a normal combonation but i like it.

      SoB+Mad Dash+Mass Greater Healing, Does insane damage with Mad Dash (I wish i had head bash but couldn't afford it when i made this) and generally keeps the team alive.

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    • NosferatuZero
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      couldn't afford it ? Buy two Fomor II, around 6GH each. Replace mass Greater Heal by Syphon !

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      I had 2 GH at the time. and syphon isn't as effective because it is only the adjacent familiars.

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      im definitely planning on doing the Torrent of Flames, Torrent of Venom, and Guile of runes combo

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      pick ToF OR ToV ... btw ToF > ToV

      Syphon is really helpfull. It does not replace your attack, it has 50% chance to proc, it saves my Ira so many times.

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      Well ToF is not always better than ToV in fact I find ToI to be the most useful.

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    • 68.58.102.126
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      Is torrent of venom better than torrent of fire overall?

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      Is torrent of fire better than torrent of venom?

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      There is no Torrent of fire, it's Torrent of Flame ... anyway. Make up your mind :

      http://bloodbrothersgame.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Torrent_of_Venom : 100% WIS + Poison

      http://bloodbrothersgame.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Torrent_of_Flame : 200% WIS

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      68.58.102.126 wrote:
      Is torrent of fire better than torrent of venom?

      Torrent of Flame is better for PvP

      Torrent of Venom is better for Raid & Tower bosses

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      Torrent of Ice is very useful considering it has a chance for your opponent to not do anything for 1 turn.

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    • TexasLonghornsUT
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      Torrent of ice and flame are the same, regardless which choice you make the fam wont be attacking the next turn because they will be dead. ToF however is a TON cheaper

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      Not really, ToF and ToI is about the same price.

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      And besides...ToI would be better if the other team had fams like automaton.

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      My appologies, i assumed you to be reffering to Ice Storm.. ToI is useless and a worse choice than ToV because atleast ToV can help in a raid.. if you want an aoe skill you should most certianly use ToF unless you feel the need to put ice storm or perhaps flash of rage from odin, which is better in raid form but worse in pvp

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      ToI also costs more than ToF.. so i dont see why anyone would use

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      Actually ToI is a lot cheaper and much better against almost all pvp opponents.

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      Actually ToI is a lot cheaper and much better against almost all pvp opponents.

      Yep.

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    • TexasLonghornsUT
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      ToI does half the damage and has a 30% chance to freeze one familiar.. ToF is not only given to you FREE but is available for the SAME PRICE as a pact xin lon in 6gh on the bazaar. ToI is no where near as good in pvp as ToF.. its just not in the same league.. 

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      Im sorry, but please post facts, there is hardly ANY situations in which Torrent of ice is anywhere near as good as Torrent of flams in pvp. Id be glad to hear these pretend situations tho...

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      Nidhogg, and your purely wrong.

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      lets hear these situations.. its cute that you pretend to know about this game but this information you are posting is SOO far from true that it is annoying...

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      reply to #91
      TheChosenLance wrote:
      Nidhogg, and your purely wrong.

      These sell for 6 too buddy.. and commonly traded for fafs.. nice try tho

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      Not really, alot of people agree with me on this situation. It's very cute that you pretend to be the wiki itself.

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      Basically, ToI has a chance to freeze all your opponents, the only reason ToF is "amazing" in your opinion is because it can 1 hit...but what if it couldn't, for ex...VS def-wisdom teams.

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      Or atleast has a chance to freeze.

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      Your are too stupid for explanation.. FIRST: ToI is lucky to freeze ONE opponent.. the chances of freezing all are 0.01% when factoring in the 70% proc chance and each individual 30% freeze roll for 5 familiars.. SECOND: Def has nothing to do with wis because the damage is based on opponents wis.. ignorance is bliss.. THIRD dont give me your "but ifs" because they make no sense.. you cant just say "what if it didnt".. because it does...

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      Thank you. Troll elsewhere please. 

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      Lol I'm too stupid for explanation? yet you avoid the point I make 100%, listen kid...I'm not here to argue with some idiot who makes smart remarks of me for not knowing EVERYTHING about BB...you don't either so you should stfu about all that "too stupid for explanation" crap considering I have the same knowledge as you do on the wiki. 0.01? The proc has a 30% to freeze one foe, basically the chance for you to use the attack, so where do you get 0.01 from? And when I say def teams, I'm talking about def teams including Automaton...these are examples of situations where ToI would be a better use of a skill over ToF, including the fact it's just like hellfire but better, this is why I provide What Ifs, considering they're facts...so don't give me that "too stupid for explanation" BS.

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      Not only that...but since it's based on Wis, when I say def teams..I'm talking about magdals and evil eyes, considering there are alot of those around, and since it's not def based, WIS is even worse.

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      Especially for Grim...Managarmr...Astaroth and the whole rest, need anymore explanations, or are you too stupid to understand like before?

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      Thank you. Troll elsewhere please. 

      How am I trolling?

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      Basically, ToI freezes all your opponents, the only reason ToF is "amazing" in your opinion is because it can 1 hit...but what if it couldn't, for ex...VS def teams.

      I realize that your memory and math skills arent great but you JUST posted this.. note the fact that you said "ToI freezes all your opponents", its simply a lie. You are known as the biggest troll of this site and i will not waste my time or brain cells trying to arue with you on this post becuase you are too ignorant to actually realize what im talking about. ToI has a 22% chance to proc and freeze ONE FOE and a 0.1% (typo earlier) to freeze the whole team.. if you like your 0.1 chances than you can keep telling people this bs.. And who are you to tell me that i act like i run this place? i comment to help new people that are being lied to by the likes of yourself and you MAKE UP entire CATAGORIES just to get "badges" on your cute little wiki wall.. its disgraceful.. 

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      lets hear these situations.. its cute that you pretend to know about this game but this information you are posting is SOO far from true that it is annoying...


      Oh you mean when my nidhogg saved my ass and froze both of the opponents Lanvall so my Warlord could kill him? Is that a good example?

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      ok, my ToF killed the lanvalls.. game over.. 

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      Ok that's all fine and dandy, but what happens when you run into an opponent with Breath ward, Mind rust, or with crazy high Wis, Your ToF hits horribly and you are now screwed.

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      TexasLonghornsUT wrote: ok, my ToF killed the lanvalls.. game over.. 

      Ive never procced ToF on a lanval that didnt die. as for the steamsteal crap, people RARELY have him in the front line, he is used only to sub in, in the case that you fight a breath damage team. This means that you will rarely see a steamsteel in pvp and if you DO, ToI on your PK will give you a 22% chance to freeze it and deal about 1.5k damage.. while an autoattack will at least nearly kill it. If you manage to freeze it, congrats you froze a steamsteel that hardly does any damage. If the skill happens to be on a WL by chance (terribe choice because the use for it is far less than other skills), than ToF will still do a decent amount of damage to the said WL and an auto attack will still have a good chance of killing next round.

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      I'm not talking about doing damage to the steamsteel itself, I have run into many teams with a Steamsteel flanked by Fams such as Desna, Lanvall, Ghis, and others. Whether or not it's dead does not change the fact that it just nerfed your Torrent damage on the actually powerful Fams.

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      The LEAST ToF will do is kill 2 fams and hurt others decently in the case that they had breath ward.. said above.. My ToF against a wis buffed gath II still leaves it with low enough hp that the next auto attacks kill it..

      What does ToI do? half of that... oh and theres a minor chance you can live till next round to proc your bad skill again and still ahve no one die..

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      Basically, ToI freezes all your opponents, the only reason ToF is "amazing" in your opinion is because it can 1 hit...but what if it couldn't, for ex...VS def teams.
      I realize that your memory and math skills arent great but you JUST posted this.. note the fact that you said "ToI freezes all your opponents", its simply a lie. You are known as the biggest troll of this site and i will not waste my time or brain cells trying to arue with you on this post becuase you are too ignorant to actually realize what im talking about. ToI has a 22% chance to proc and freeze ONE FOE and a 0.1% (typo earlier) to freeze the whole team.. if you like your 0.1 chances than you can keep telling people this bs.. And who are you to tell me that i act like i run this place? i comment to help new people that are being lied to by the likes of yourself and you MAKE UP entire CATAGORIES just to get "badges" on your cute little wiki wall.. its disgraceful.. 

      How is it simply a lie? ToI has a chance to Freeze all foes...infact it doesn't even need to freeze all foes, 1 can be the breaking point of where a team loses. How am I a troll? You haven't explained that to me, your probably Biggest Dick on this site I've seen so far, Ignoring people's points and making blatant comments 24/7. I'm a person who trys to help people with my known knowledge, who are you to call me an idiot when on this Wiki, when I know just as much as you do? The fact you call it BS, is funny to me, and considering you said it's 30% to freeze one foe....seems like what you say isn't concrete either. Everything I've said so far is true, tell me which part is a lie, and what have I said that makes me a Troll?

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      But there is a very good chance that the familiars that were protected by the ward will kill you before you have a chance to kill them auto attacks.

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      If anything, your the troll here, speaking down to people whenever you get a chance, stfu. You know just as much as everyone else here, if you didn't notice, THIS IS A WIKI.

      This is also what I meant to say :

      Basically, ToI has a chance to freeze all your opponents, the only reason ToF is "amazing" in your opinion is because it can 1 hit...but what if it couldn't, for ex. VS def-wisdom teams.

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      As soon as i proc a ToF against a ward its atleast 5 on 3.. the chances of you freezing these particular foes out of the 5 are very small, 6% to proc two in a row much less if youre factoring  in the fams it should skip and the fams it should freeze, in the mean time they are well alive and not being hurt at all by your proc, also the other 2 fams are alive and killing you due to the fact that the skill is 50% of ToF.. as for chosens arguments with which he uses absolutely no facts and just spreads ignorance to unsuspecting noobs, I am ignoring his stupidity. When i say he is a troll, its not just me that thinks this, infact the majority of people that i see actively on this sight agree that he is hindering this sight with his need for arguements and stupidity/ hard headed ignorance. Whats really wrong is the fact that he really thinks some of this crap is true, he spent 5 hours one night arguing that a jinx eye dragon (same proc rate as the freeze of ToI) had a 22% chance to freeze the ENTIRE team. 5 hours! he really thought that the chance for every individual proc of the 6 needed added to 22% just because apparently he read it somewhere on the internet.. i sat him down and explained the math to him, along with 2 others that he was arguing with, and he STILL refused to believe it and thinks that you have a 22% chance to roll a 70% skill followed by 5 30% skills in a row.. like i stated earlier its 0.1% chance for this. I do not have the time or empathy to continue to correct him so all i can suggest is IGNORE ANYTHING THAT HE SAYS.. for anyone still wondering what wis skill is best it is clearly ToF.. PLEASE DO NOT WASTE YOUR SPACE ON ToI OR ToV, YOU WILL REGRET IT IN THE LONG RUN.. all of these emails from this idiot replying are annoying so i will not be responding, all i can say is that a large group of us is attempting to get a mod and have him removed from this site.. he does not help in any way and hinders progress, until then guys, im sorry that you have to hear him all over the place trying to scam people and feed them wrong information. 

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      TexasLonghornsUT wrote: ok, my ToF killed the lanvalls.. game over.. 
      Ive never procced ToF on a lanval that didnt die. as for the steamsteal crap, people RARELY have him in the front line, he is used only to sub in, in the case that you fight a breath damage team. This means that you will rarely see a steamsteel in pvp and if you DO, ToI on your PK will give you a 22% chance to freeze it and deal about 1.5k damage.. while an autoattack will at least nearly kill it. If you manage to freeze it, congrats you froze a steamsteel that hardly does any damage. If the skill happens to be on a WL by chance (terribe choice because the use for it is far less than other skills), than ToF will still do a decent amount of damage to the said WL and an auto attack will still have a good chance of killing next round.

      You say TOF will do 200%, that means 3k damage...however ToI does 1.5k, Plus probably freezes 1-5 of the opponents teamates, meaning that if they had any other fam that did 1.5k damage or more to 1 of your familiars, that'll make it much more worthwhile than ToF if it freezed once, meaning you can kill the Familiar next turn absolutely, & they wont do a thing....if you have a decent enough brigade though, therefore making ToI have a chane to be better than ToF.

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      As soon as i proc a ToF against a ward its atleast 5 on 3.. the chances of you freezing these particular foes out of the 5 are very small, 6% to proc two in a row much less if youre factoring  in the fams it should skip and the fams it should freeze, in the mean time they are well alive and not being hurt at all by your proc, also the other 2 fams are alive and killing you due to the fact that the skill is 50% of ToF.. as for chosens arguments with which he uses absolutely no facts and just spreads ignorance to unsuspecting noobs, I am ignoring his stupidity. When i say he is a troll, its not just me that thinks this, infact the majority of people that i see actively on this sight agree that he is hindering this sight with his need for arguements and stupidity/ hard headed ignorance. Whats really wrong is the fact that he really thinks some of this crap is true, he spent 5 hours one night arguing that a jinx eye dragon (same proc rate as the freeze of ToI) had a 22% chance to freeze the ENTIRE team. 5 hours! he really thought that the chance for every individual proc of the 6 needed added to 22% just because apparently he read it somewhere on the internet.. i sat him down and explained the math to him, along with 2 others that he was arguing with, and he STILL refused to believe it and thinks that you have a 22% chance to roll a 70% skill followed by 5 30% skills in a row.. like i stated earlier its 0.1% chance for this. I do not have the time or empathy to continue to correct him so all i can suggest is IGNORE ANYTHING THAT HE SAYS.. for anyone still wondering what wis skill is best it is clearly ToF.. PLEASE DO NOT WASTE YOUR SPACE ON ToI OR ToV, YOU WILL REGRET IT IN THE LONG RUN.. all of these emails from this idiot replying are annoying so i will not be responding, all i can say is that a large group of us is attempting to get a mod and have him removed from this site.. he does not help in any way and hinders progress, until then guys, im sorry that you have to hear him all over the place trying to scam people and feed them wrong information. 


      1. Who are the people? Give me names.. not some friends of yours, like Dr. considering I've put down facts this whole time, some with errors, yet corrected now.

      2. You try your hardest to avoid the whole points I make, while I take yours in, which makes me laugh considering how you want to ignore me when you start EVERY arguement.

      3. People that read this...Please don't listen to this Ignorant fool...read everything I said and match it up with his...pretty sure everything I've said was true, up to this point.

      4. 5 Hours on a Jinx? Learn your time, please do... that's all you concentrate on in every arguement, a Jinx...concentrate on the points at hand..this is Purple Knife we are talking about...either way I said it was 21% Because of the fact I didn't read the WIKI correctly, not a random source on the internet, either way it's not 0.01%, Buddy.

      5. You drastically say I'm an idiot and that I'm ignorant + a troll, yet you haven't even made a concrete point with ToF and ToI besides its 200% - 100% Which everyone knows...and you have not explained to me how I'm a Troll, when you speak down to everyone you get a chance to.

      6. How do I try to spread false info on unsuspecting noobs, when I have people here agreeing with me?

      7. About 50% of the things you say are lies, exactly why I find it useless to argue with you, your a Dick, as I've said, Dicks never have a nice life, especially the ones that lie, or as you may like to call it "Not tell the whole truth".

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      As soon as i proc a ToF against a ward its atleast 5 on 3.. the chances of you freezing these particular foes out of the 5 are very small, 6% to proc two in a row much less if youre factoring  in the fams it should skip and the fams it should freeze, in the mean time they are well alive and not being hurt at all by your proc, also the other 2 fams are alive and killing you due to the fact that the skill is 50% of ToF.. as for chosens arguments with which he uses absolutely no facts and just spreads ignorance to unsuspecting noobs, I am ignoring his stupidity. When i say he is a troll, its not just me that thinks this, infact the majority of people that i see actively on this sight agree that he is hindering this sight with his need for arguements and stupidity/ hard headed ignorance. Whats really wrong is the fact that he really thinks some of this crap is true, he spent 5 hours one night arguing that a jinx eye dragon (same proc rate as the freeze of ToI) had a 22% chance to freeze the ENTIRE team. 5 hours! he really thought that the chance for every individual proc of the 6 needed added to 22% just because apparently he read it somewhere on the internet.. i sat him down and explained the math to him, along with 2 others that he was arguing with, and he STILL refused to believe it and thinks that you have a 22% chance to roll a 70% skill followed by 5 30% skills in a row.. like i stated earlier its 0.1% chance for this. I do not have the time or empathy to continue to correct him so all i can suggest is IGNORE ANYTHING THAT HE SAYS.. for anyone still wondering what wis skill is best it is clearly ToF.. PLEASE DO NOT WASTE YOUR SPACE ON ToI OR ToV, YOU WILL REGRET IT IN THE LONG RUN.. all of these emails from this idiot replying are annoying so i will not be responding, all i can say is that a large group of us is attempting to get a mod and have him removed from this site.. he does not help in any way and hinders progress, until then guys, im sorry that you have to hear him all over the place trying to scam people and feed them wrong information. 



      So let me get this straight, you started an argument for your own personal pleasure, and now that you no longer have any logical rebuttle, you are resorting to personal attacks on their credit and attempting to remove the person you started attacking? Ok cool, just wanted to get all my facts straight. :D And also, if you are saying that I am the one you are trying to remove, and you claim that I am the one going around scamming people, Here is a little fact for you, I joined 2 days ago.

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      Sorry silver but i clearly wasnt saying you need removal, nor that any of those statements were regarding you. i have nothing wrong with you because i can handle logic based debates.. i however cannot deal with people arguing just for the sake of arguing about topics that they are clearly wrong about. i have nothing wrong with your claims because you atleast showed some knowledge to back them up.. and didnt say things like ToI will freeze the whole team, which will never happen.. you have the same chance of winning the lottery and i suggest you use your luck on that. i see what youre trying to say with ToI but logically ToF is a better breath skill and if you want to go against a automaton than id suggest an atk based skill because PK has godly attack as well, higher than wis, id suggest something like berserk, venomstorm, or maybe bloodlust lance to disregard position.. if you are going to use a breath attack (which i reccomend) than i would also reccomend ToF for new players, it will help all around much more. Once agian im ignoring any stupid comment chosen tries to make (ive noticced he always tries to get the last word), and i havent seen anything negative about silver at all, i believe he is the one that popped in chat trying to sell a fam, handled it great instead of spamming his thread every 3 seconds (... chosen...) and popped on out when no one was in need of the familiar, handled himself great and is a productive member of this wiki (i see you have been pretty active, i cant tell how long you have been here tho).. just to clarify things here

      Once again for anyone new and clueless, i STRONGLY reccomend ToF for a PK and any wis based WL.. If you wanna wis a GM that is, i personally use it on mine and i can say it is extremely better than ToV (what i put when they came out with the add a skill the first time before took it away momentarilly), and i have tried venomstorm as well (which was nice in raid but ToF is OP in pvp.) its soo over powered that they are contemplating nerfing it if rumors are correct, if this was the case than id be willing to an arguement for another breath skill but id prolly go with Flash of Rage instead. 

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      Edit: add Headbash to the list of decent atk skills* great for raid and guaranteed 2 kills in pvp, guaranteed even if they have a phys damage buff.. IMO ToF is still a MUCH better all around skill in pvp and tower which includes 3 of the 4 events that we have to date

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      Sorry silver but i clearly wasnt saying you need removal, nor that any of those statements were regarding you. i have nothing wrong with you because i can handle logic based debates.. i however cannot deal with people arguing just for the sake of arguing about topics that they are clearly wrong about. i have nothing wrong with your claims because you atleast showed some knowledge to back them up.. and didnt say things like ToI will freeze the whole team, which will never happen.. you have the same chance of winning the lottery and i suggest you use your luck on that. i see what youre trying to say with ToI but logically ToF is a better breath skill and if you want to go against a automaton than id suggest an atk based skill because PK has godly attack as well, higher than wis, id suggest something like berserk, venomstorm, or maybe bloodlust lance to disregard position.. if you are going to use a breath attack (which i reccomend) than i would also reccomend ToF for new players, it will help all around much more. Once agian im ignoring any stupid comment chosen tries to make (ive noticced he always tries to get the last word), and i havent seen anything negative about silver at all, i believe he is the one that popped in chat trying to sell a fam, handled it great instead of spamming his thread every 3 seconds (... chosen...) and popped on out when no one was in need of the familiar, handled himself great and is a productive member of this wiki (i see you have been pretty active, i cant tell how long you have been here tho).. just to clarify things here

      Once again for anyone new and clueless, i STRONGLY reccomend ToF for a PK and any wis based WL.. If you wanna wis a GM that is, i personally use it on mine and i can say it is extremely better than ToV (what i put when they came out with the add a skill the first time before took it away momentarilly), and i have tried venomstorm as well (which was nice in raid but ToF is OP in pvp.) its soo over powered that they are contemplating nerfing it if rumors are correct, if this was the case than id be willing to an arguement for another breath skill but id prolly go with Flash of Rage instead. 

      Every second...even when your speaking with another player, you mention my name. Dude...just stop talking about me, and to me...you said you were going to ignore me right? Start doing that, I'm done with your stupid little increments of me in every comment, just STFU and do what you say you're going to do, otherwise don't say it at all, and besides, I never spam my posts "every 3 seconds", and if I ever bring it up...It's either

      1. A Person joins chat, & my post is unviewable.

      2. No one speaks, & I'm trying to get words out of people.

      So again, do whatever you wish to try and get me "banned". I do nothing wrong but spread my opinion, which this Wiki is all about...

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      Sorry silver but i clearly wasnt saying you need removal, nor that any of those statements were regarding you. i have nothing wrong with you because i can handle logic based debates.. i however cannot deal with people arguing just for the sake of arguing about topics that they are clearly wrong about. i have nothing wrong with your claims because you atleast showed some knowledge to back them up.. and didnt say things like ToI will freeze the whole team, which will never happen.. you have the same chance of winning the lottery and i suggest you use your luck on that. i see what youre trying to say with ToI but logically ToF is a better breath skill and if you want to go against a automaton than id suggest an atk based skill because PK has godly attack as well, higher than wis, id suggest something like berserk, venomstorm, or maybe bloodlust lance to disregard position.. if you are going to use a breath attack (which i reccomend) than i would also reccomend ToF for new players, it will help all around much more. Once agian im ignoring any stupid comment chosen tries to make (ive noticced he always tries to get the last word), and i havent seen anything negative about silver at all, i believe he is the one that popped in chat trying to sell a fam, handled it great instead of spamming his thread every 3 seconds (... chosen...) and popped on out when no one was in need of the familiar, handled himself great and is a productive member of this wiki (i see you have been pretty active, i cant tell how long you have been here tho).. just to clarify things here

      Once again for anyone new and clueless, i STRONGLY reccomend ToF for a PK and any wis based WL.. If you wanna wis a GM that is, i personally use it on mine and i can say it is extremely better than ToV (what i put when they came out with the add a skill the first time before took it away momentarilly), and i have tried venomstorm as well (which was nice in raid but ToF is OP in pvp.) its soo over powered that they are contemplating nerfing it if rumors are correct, if this was the case than id be willing to an arguement for another breath skill but id prolly go with Flash of Rage instead. 


      Oh ok, sorry it's kind of hard to tell with 3 people all posting about the same thing, and I do agree that in many cases ToF is better, i was just pointing out that ToI can be very useful too. And i definitely agree on your point about attack based skills, I am running a SoB, Along with mad dash, which i will soon be changing to venomstorm.

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      sob and venomstorm is ridiculous power, and allows for a 3 atk/ 2 wis team, this formation is very good and underused for pk, and other familiars alike (saw a really nice BB setup with 2 fafnirs on the sides, was a cheap setup and with shield and dag on a BB you can set em there and hope to protect them.. but thats for a diff forum lol)

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      lol, and ya i know the power is crazy, especially since i am currently trying to make a Tepaxtl, i just need 1 more R1 and i will be able to make a 6 card Evo which i think should come out to 98.5%. And then i have a Griffin Mount II so my plans for my team will be the shield formation with the 4 in front and one in the middle in the back, will look like Tepax-PK-Iron Golem-Griffin-Tepax. Might replace the Golem with a Bunga or Spellforged if i can get my hands on one.

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      Sorry silver but i clearly wasnt saying you need removal, nor that any of those statements were regarding you. i have nothing wrong with you because i can handle logic based debates.. i however cannot deal with people arguing just for the sake of arguing about topics that they are clearly wrong about. i have nothing wrong with your claims because you atleast showed some knowledge to back them up.. and didnt say things like ToI will freeze the whole team, which will never happen.. you have the same chance of winning the lottery and i suggest you use your luck on that. i see what youre trying to say with ToI but logically ToF is a better breath skill and if you want to go against a automaton than id suggest an atk based skill because PK has godly attack as well, higher than wis, id suggest something like berserk, venomstorm, or maybe bloodlust lance to disregard position.. if you are going to use a breath attack (which i reccomend) than i would also reccomend ToF for new players, it will help all around much more. Once agian im ignoring any stupid comment chosen tries to make (ive noticced he always tries to get the last word), and i havent seen anything negative about silver at all, i believe he is the one that popped in chat trying to sell a fam, handled it great instead of spamming his thread every 3 seconds (... chosen...) and popped on out when no one was in need of the familiar, handled himself great and is a productive member of this wiki (i see you have been pretty active, i cant tell how long you have been here tho).. just to clarify things here

      Once again for anyone new and clueless, i STRONGLY reccomend ToF for a PK and any wis based WL.. If you wanna wis a GM that is, i personally use it on mine and i can say it is extremely better than ToV (what i put when they came out with the add a skill the first time before took it away momentarilly), and i have tried venomstorm as well (which was nice in raid but ToF is OP in pvp.) its soo over powered that they are contemplating nerfing it if rumors are correct, if this was the case than id be willing to an arguement for another breath skill but id prolly go with Flash of Rage instead. 


      Oh ok, sorry it's kind of hard to tell with 3 people all posting about the same thing, and I do agree that in many cases ToF is better, i was just pointing out that ToI can be very useful too. And i definitely agree on your point about attack based skills, I am running a SoB, Along with mad dash, which i will soon be changing to venomstorm.

      Yeah, venomstorm will be a much better upgrade. What's the rest of your brigade though?

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      @TheChosen, read my previous post lol.

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      Tep is a nice fam for the price, a huge upgrade to girtabilu and cheaper than girt used to be (girt dropped hard when he came out tho). I have a 99.1% i made in my spare time just because i had nothing to lvl, i used in in blood clash and it was nice, i will prolly use it in raid if i cant sell before then too, venomstorm is great in raids, thus said a 3 VS and 2 SoB team would be a very nice atk team

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      That what i'm aiming for, sadly i can't afford to get everything as a PE or OPE and it will take me a little while. I should be able to get the full team in a week or so. (I hope) And then all i have to do is get a Girtab, which should be really cheap and use him to teach my PK VS. I used the whole Guile of Runes/ToF/ToV thing for a while but i found that i preferred using atk teams rather than wisdom, because even if you dont skill your auto attack does insane damage. right now my level 144 PK one hits pretty much anything once the uses SoB.

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      That what i'm aiming for, sadly i can't afford to get everything as a PE or OPE and it will take me a little while. I should be able to get the full team in a week or so. (I hope) And then all i have to do is get a Girtab, which should be really cheap and use him to teach my PK VS. I used the whole Guile of Runes/ToF/ToV thing for a while but i found that i preferred using atk teams rather than wisdom, because even if you dont skill your auto attack does insane damage. right now my level 144 PK one hits pretty much anything once the uses SoB.

      I have a Desna 3 and a Girt 4 for cheap if you're interested :).

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      @Chosen, I'm not sure why the Desna is important, but i would very much like that Girtab depending on how cheap you mean :) Reply to this on my Bazaar page so we don't go too far off topic.

      (Just to stay on topic) I LOVE MY PURPLE KNIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      My team is heave WIS - PK with TOF+ BoM + Syphon with 4 Fafnir II. In fact i rarely see oponents with TOL and when I do i never losse to them. If my ToG proc they are dead. Thats it. There is not even single case when my WL ToF proc and I losse no matter what oponents have. It usualy do 12-14k dmg and is just devastating for enemy team.

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    • 79.100.60.48
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      Forget to note that I just have 1 Ziz (70% chance to remove all buffs) so when i met heavy AGI team just replace one of Fafniers and AGI team without buffs = dead meat. For boses I have one Rattlebones.. Since poison per turn didn depend of your WIS there is no use to waste WL skill for that.

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    • TheChosenLance
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      Your team is worthless if a team has 2 Automatons....Or 2 Iras....Or 2 Lanvalls....Or 2 of anything that has higher Agi than Fafnir. Reason you probably "never" lose to a ToI team is because they never Proc ice, or have horrible familiars, which most usually do.

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    • Firen4
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      reply to #1

      Hi, I have a question: should i put Flash of Rage or Torrent of Flame into PK ? I know that FoR = 6*90% WIS and ToF = 200% WIS but I want a skill for my PK that as highest overall and versatility.

      So which one ?

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    • Silverpoint49
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      If you want versatility i would adivse FoR because ToF on a boss just doesn't work well at all.

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    • 78.51.105.244
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      ToF is not 200% anymore, dena changed to 150% ;)


      That means, ToF is pretty useless now...

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    • 79.100.60.48
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      reply to #131
      TheChosenLance wrote:
      Your team is worthless if a team has 2 Automatons....Or 2 Iras....Or 2 Lanvalls....Or 2 of anything that has higher Agi than Fafnir. Reason you probably "never" lose to a ToI team is because they never Proc ice, or have horrible familiars, which most usually do.

      Maybe u miss the Ziz who I have specially for oponents who have 2 Automatons (thou i never met such team). Also 2 Lanvalls CANT kill my entire party even if they both proc. While if just 1 Fafnir proc with BoM theyr whole party is dead or just 1 autoattack far from dead. Not to mention that Automatons is useless after fight actually start. AGi teams are cool if they can get many mods for +AGI and strike first. If Ziz take away their AGI buf they are just dead. But it seems that u are too narrow-minded to see the truth.

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    • TheChosenLance
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      reply to #135
      79.100.60.48 wrote:
      TheChosenLance wrote:
      Your team is worthless if a team has 2 Automatons....Or 2 Iras....Or 2 Lanvalls....Or 2 of anything that has higher Agi than Fafnir. Reason you probably "never" lose to a ToI team is because they never Proc ice, or have horrible familiars, which most usually do.
      Maybe u miss the Ziz who I have specially for oponents who have 2 Automatons (thou i never met such team). Also 2 Lanvalls CANT kill my entire party even if they both proc. While if just 1 Fafnir proc with BoM theyr whole party is dead or just 1 autoattack far from dead. Not to mention that Automatons is useless after fight actually start. AGi teams are cool if they can get many mods for +AGI and strike first. If Ziz take away their AGI buf they are just dead. But it seems that u are too narrow-minded to see the truth.

      As a matter afact...you don't even need 2 automatons. A team of 2 lanvalls or more can definetly kill your whole team with proc, easily. I've never seen an automaton myself, but if a team of 2 lanvalls that included 2 automatons picked your team to battle, I'd say the team of lanvalls would win. We are talking about team selections, not defending, defending is a whole different story, and if you didn't notice, ToF now does 150% damage. "But it seems that u are too narrow-minded" to see that, lmao.

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    • 91.113.19.133
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      ToF is back to 200% again btw

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    • 79.100.60.48
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      It took at least 3 Lanvalls hits to kill a single Fafnir II. Not to mention that if Syphon (50% chance) proc then even if 2 Lanvalls proc there is no guarantee that they will kill even single Fafnir. While when Fafnir proc ALL Lanvalls are dead or 1 autoatack from dead. IF my WL proc then whole enemy party is dead.

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    • Casal9712
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      With the new familiar, we might be able to get a boon of mind and blade 2?

      Would anyone switch their boon of mind and shield 2 to it?

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    • NosferatuZero
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      I won't because PK is too slow. BoMS give you a chance to survive to the first strike. If my WL was GM, i probably switch :)

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    • Sezyrrith
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      reply to #137
      91.113.19.133 wrote:
      ToF is back to 200% again btw

      I don't think it ever actually dropped. I never noticed a damage drop that significant, and I didn't notice it 'fix' itself when the listing here returned to 200%. Remember that, as a wiki, it can be edited by people who don't know how to find the info properly, who misread the JSON, or who simply want to change it for personal reasons.

      Edit: As to the debate over ToI vs. ToF - there's a reason Fafnir is higher tier than Nidhogg even though Nidhogg has extremely close stats. ToF outclasses ToI by a fair margin. I'd rather kill 2-3 opponents than freeze 1-3, and with a FAR better chance than actually freezing 3 (which is what, 0.3^3, or about 2.7% chance?).

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    • Singular-armageddons
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      I find that ToV still works really well on PK regardless of it merely being a poison attack. Ive had a few instances where the poison actually killed my opponent right before my death blow. As for ToF vs ToI, it should seriously be a matter of preference. If you want the option to possibly one-hit creatures with and/or get a cheaper ability, choose ToF. If you want the option to do some damage along with a relatively manageable freeze rate, choose ToI. By arguing on which is supposedly "better" you are wasting everyones time.


      In my opinion(if that counts) they are equally powerful abilities. The only reason i chose ToF over ToI is because i acquired a faf as the log in bonus thus saving me from wasting time finding a Xin or Nidhogg.

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    • NosferatuZero
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      Obviously, you're right. If you like ToV, so be it. The most important thing is to enjoy this game, nothing else matters. But obviously too, ToF is the best "Torrent of X" in PvP. Fafnir with less than 10k WIS  one shot a group of creeps. GM or PK buffed with BoMS or GoR does insane damages. It's easy, you proc, you win. ToF need a serious nerf.

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    • Singular-armageddons
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      That is specifically why Im putting GoR, ToV, and ToF on PK. Its my preffered way of battling so thats what I will do

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    • NosferatuZero
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      such a shame, because you just loose a slot, picking ToV + ToF don't give you more chance to proc ...

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    • Singular-armageddons
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      I know it doesnt, but i dont mind. I dont really know any other skills that id put on her aside from maybe Whorl of wisdom but whatever

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    • Sezyrrith
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      Flash of Rage, Head Bash, Barrage, Berserk, Plasma Field, Icestorm, Firecell Roar...just look at a familiar tier list and find upper-tier familiars with attack or wisdom based abilities. In general, those abilities should all be good for PK.

      Since you picked Guile of Runes as a buff, it'd be best to stick to the wis skills ofc.

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    • TheChosenLance
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      reply to #146
      Singular-armageddons wrote:
      I know it doesnt, but i dont mind. I dont really know any other skills that id put on her aside from maybe Whorl of wisdom but whatever

      Yes, IMO I'd rather have 2 attack skills rather than S&D/C&D/Syphon...

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    • NosferatuZero
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      rofl

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    • TheChosenLance
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      reply to #149
      NosferatuZero wrote:
      rofl

      Something funny :)?

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    • NosferatuZero
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      indeed

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      reply to #151
      NosferatuZero wrote:
      indeed

      Good for you.

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    • Kingknoest
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      Ok guys, need some feedback from you all... I got 3 PE Ira's and 2 OPE Tawiscara's, together with PK. Also got a Maut Doog 1*, fully leveled for his skill to transfer to PK. Since I was a very addicted user of GoR in combination with ToF together with Syphon, which was handy with my previous WIS setup, I would still like to keep ToF for overall damage in the events. Even unbuffed I think it rocks with a whopping 30K of (raw, no DEF/WIS reduction yet offcourse) damage from PK...

      My thoughts are to replace GoR with GoW3, keep ToF and probably keep Syphon (any suggestions to an alternative to Syphon are welcome, I am allready doubting for Mass Healing 2 or Revive 2 but it will cost a turn to use it). That way I will ALWAYS go first, except for the same fam's with slightly higher stats and same buff. Ira's proc will OHKO 75% of the time, Tawiscara will finish it off with auto-attack or (buffed) proc. The buff will add around 5K of AGI to the allready fast fams and it helps the damage output of the Tawiscara's alot...

      Does this seem logic to have on my PK with this setup? I think so, but would like other point of views and weaknesses to this setup. Also, which formation is advised? I think 5-shield...

      As backup  fams I got 2 PE Odins, 2 NPE 98% Astaroths, 2 OPE Griffins, 1 95% Evil Eye, 1 PE Grendel, 1 NPE 97% Bedwyr, 1 PE Narluce, 1 OPE Randolph 1 OPE Farwal and one OPE Nuadha. Next to Iron Golem, Ioskeha and some crappier fams on my alt off course.

      Thx allready for your feedback!!!

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    • NosferatuZero
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      OMG, that's a team :) I wish i have the same. We're talking about pvp right ? Indeed, You need GoW3 to improve your team. You seem to be rich, so may be you can replace ToF by FoR. Without GoR or BoMS, ToF is not your best choice. As a reactive skill, you have two choices for PK, Grin an bear it or Syphon ( unless you want to sacrifice PK to save Ira ). I would rather pick syphon.

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    • 194.29.99.50
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      I would love to see a option where I can pick the WL-Skill which I want to replace.

      My PK now has (in that order): ToF, BoM&S, Syphon

      with the new event-fam coming out (better version of riposte) I want to add her skill to my PK and remove Syphon, but what I actually remove is ToF... So I need again a Fafnir and a Evil Eye for their skills :( ... thats stupid

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    • NosferatuZero
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      Would be nice, hope Dena will introduce this feature in a near future.

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    • 67.171.184.81
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      How do we feel about Payback vs Syphon?

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    • 24.60.154.155
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      Offensive: Venostorm/Ice Claw

      Counter: Payback

      Buff: SOB

      Is this a good combo?

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    • 94.123.167.10
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      now i have 2 odins, 2 ioskehas and my PK in my pvp brigade and i think i'll try BoMS, Flash of Rage and Grin and bear it or payback.

      PS: before this combination i was use GoW2 with rush (my team was 2 Lanvalls and Artemisias :( )

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    • Sezyrrith
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      I'd do Payback over G&Bi. Most people with Grin that I've seen haven't really gotten much use out of it on their WL.

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    • 24.60.154.155
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      To build a attack-based raid boss team around PK, would it be a good idea to put runes of guiles in her and two ATK buffers(griffin/pan) around her? This sounds insane if she's giving 75k wis out to the buffers around her in an all-out. Of course I am assuming that all three buffs fire with PK's buff going off first.

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    • Rekklesone
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      i dont think its worth it. U should go for Atk Buff Straight or only 2 Buffer-> PK and lets say griffin. i Think its more use to put an extra familiar in ur team with the extra chance of high dmg :)

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      But let say I am putting the griffins in spot 2 and 4. PK being in spot 3 will get a boost of about 145,000 attack (14k*5+75k) and the rest of the line are each getting a attack boost of 72,500.

      If this works out, isn't this better than 3 fams getting a boost of 72,500?

      Sorry if i am not doing my math correctly.

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    • Rekklesone
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      lets say u have a lineup like this ran-Grif-PK-Grif-ran (ran for random)

      PK has GoR and we calculate with all-out attack-> 15779wis(lvl170)*10-> 157790 Wis

      so GoR is like 78k wis buff-> grif 14k*10-> 140k+78k->218k wis-> 109k Atk buff

      ran+109k Atk->grif+109k Atk->PK+218k Atk->grif+109k Atk->ran+109k Atk

      thats the correct math ;)


      If u take PK with SoB2 ull have-> 158k wis *0,2-> 31,6k -> 10*31,6k-> 316k Atk

      So Yes the attack through grif´s is higher but u dont have or just have 3 instead of 5 or 8 instead of 10 Abilities. -> lets say 10 times Head Bash so u have a boost of 6000% Atk-> 316k*60-> 18.960.000 "Atk"


      when u have like grif total is 654k Atk total Buff-> only 2*218k used for HeadBash-> 436k*1800%-> 7.848.000 dmg + 218k dmg-> 8.066.000 dmg boost.


      So u can see in a total the dmg buff form only SoB2 is higher wehn it coems to the proccs cause u buff all 10 fams instead of only 2*3 fams.

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    • Silverpoint49
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      Finished re-building mine, has SoB-Ice Fist-Firecell Roar. It destroys bosses and Pvp.

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    • Rekklesone
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      Silver u made 1 mistake, why u use 2 attack skills-> Payback or syphon is much better-> u cant calulate ur dmg with 2 skills and ur chance to use a skill is still 30% -> much better with 1 Atk Skill 1 Opening Skill and 1 Reactive Skill! ;)

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    • 24.60.154.155
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      hm having trouble seeing new posts..

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    • Rekklesone
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      u need to log into the page!

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    • Griswald13
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      I am thinking, for a raid specialized team, Head bash, pay back and SOB2 for purple knife. and as for the rest of the team, i am looking to get desnas/fomors+EPELs

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    • Silverpoint49
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      reply to #166
      Rekklesone wrote:
      Silver u made 1 mistake, why u use 2 attack skills-> Payback or syphon is much better-> u cant calulate ur dmg with 2 skills and ur chance to use a skill is still 30% -> much better with 1 Atk Skill 1 Opening Skill and 1 Reactive Skill! ;)

      Pshh i hate defensive skills.

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    • Overmage
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      Even  if you hate defensive skills, why put 2 attack skills? I hope you know that putting two attack skills does NOT increase the chance of a proc - it only causes your WL to randomly pick one or the other. All you're doing is randomizing your attack.

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    • Silverpoint49
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      Ya i know, i have a heavy atk team and i am basically screwed against heavy Def teams, i need that Wis skill. I keep getting destroyed by back row Def teams.

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    • Sezyrrith
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      Maybe so, but the flip side of that is when you're hoping you'll see Ice Fist (due to SoB buff, and perhaps all remaining enemies are on front row so you get the damage bonus from that) and instead it's Firecell Roar. It'll still hit hard, but not nearly as hard as a self-buffed Ice Fist.

      Or perhaps it'll be the reverse situation - you'll be facing an all-backrow team with your PK back row, and they have Narluce and Bulwark/BW2 and your SoB didn't fire, so you're hoping for Firecell Roar, and you get Ice Fist instead.

      Perhaps this doesn't bother you; however, for many players, consistency is key, and BB's randomness is already a bit of a thorn in the side for us. Your setup adds another random element to the game, while simultaneously not taking advantage of PK's high ATK with a cheap reactive nearly guaranteed to OHKO anything that doesn't OHKO PK first, at least 50% of the time.

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    • Overmage
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      ^ well said, you saved me a lot of typing. cheers :p

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    • Rekklesone
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      hehe true, thank u bro :) Just get payback, its sooo hilarious on PK,

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    • Overmage
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      Also I want to note that back row def teams will not attack you for much, so you can easily tank more than one blow with Payback.

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    • Overmage
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      Just to highlight the importance of synergy - my crappy team just beat a PK team with 2 tawis and an Ira. reason? PK was running BOMS2.

      Bad synergy can make your great lineup worthless. Run the proper buffs to fit your team.

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    • 68.58.102.126
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      reply to #170
      Silverpoint49 wrote:
      Rekklesone wrote:
      Silver u made 1 mistake, why u use 2 attack skills-> Payback or syphon is much better-> u cant calulate ur dmg with 2 skills and ur chance to use a skill is still 30% -> much better with 1 Atk Skill 1 Opening Skill and 1 Reactive Skill! ;)
      Pshh i hate defensive skills.


      No it doersnt - it rolls twice, once for each 30%. However tht doesnt mean you have a 60% chance to proc an attack, mathmatically its more like just under 50%. With the addition of payback, it might make more sense now to do it 1 AT , 1 Open, and 1 Reactive skill.

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    • Overmage
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      Wrong. It has been worked to death endlessly and it only rolls once for 30% and then randomly chooses between the two (or the other way round, either way). there are no benefits, none at all, from having two attack skills. The above post is well-meaning but completely misinformed.

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    • 68.58.102.126
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      Provide a link please from Dena?

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    • Overmage
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      No link needed, it's been empirically proven by people with too much free time running like 1000 battles and calculating that their procs are still ~30% over 1000 battles with 2 or 3 attack skills.

      It's somewhere on the BBRPG page (http://www.bloodbrothersrpg.com), but I don't remember where. Not that it matters. If you really like to, you can run the numbers yourself.

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    • 68.58.102.126
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      ha! not that much free time here..    :P

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    • Sezyrrith
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      Here's one thread where Link tracked some procs, separated by PvP fight round #.

      http://www.bloodbrothersrpg.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=31066

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    • Raszti
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      What do you think of Boon of Mind & Shield 2 as an opening skill (together with a narluce right next to knife) and payback as a defense skill? But I'm not sure if I should run Torrent of Flame or Flash of Rage.

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    • Achko
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      Hey Raszti


      Boon of Mind & Shield 2 + Payback + ToF is best for PK in my opinion..

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    • Overmage
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      Raszti, ToF is best for PvP and FoR best for PVE.

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    • Danccm
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      thinking of putting BoM2, Windblast/Firecell Roar and CnD/Payback/Syphon

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    • MalisKian
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      Hi all, 

      I'm running a mixed atk/wis team (fafnir/ioskeha/pk/ioskeha/odin) aiming for balanced pvp/pve.  Currently I have BoM&S,  windcrush,  and payback on my wl.  I'm considering switching windcrush to firecell roar, and BoM&S to BoM&B.  To get the Ignis for BoM&B I would trade away a low lanvall4.  Any thoughts on whether this is the best use of my resources?  Will changing boons give enough benefit to make it worthwhile?

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    • Overmage
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      Danccm, don't waste an Asta for Firecell Roar, just stick to ToF

      MalisKian, if you have the resources it would be better to get FoR than Firecell Roar.

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    • NosferatuZero
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      You can get Firecell roar from Melusine, very cheap. But Overmage is right ( should i say as always ? ), FoR for PVE purpose, ToF for PVP.

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    • 118.97.99.138
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      ToF is purely for PVP, while FoR is very good vs raid bosses and still decent for PVP. Firecell Roar.. well, not as much. As for choosing between two boons, decide which one to focus on. If you prefer to PVP more, stick with BoMS; for PVE, BoMB is definitely better. Not sure? Stick with BoMS then, it's your safest bet I believe.

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    • Jarekmace
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      which is the best defensive skill for a PK? Payback because her high attack? But does she survive a hit with her def?

      I'd like to build a PK for PvE... so I'd go for BoMB snd FoR... and for the other fam? I was thinking about a couple of Odin, a Ios and then I don't know... a def fam? or a Mathilda?

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    • 121.72.150.161
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      ToF + headbutt (600% ATK for PvE) is working well - at a dencent level nothing survives a hit from her headbutt and ToF will clear the ranks nicely - now just need a decent def buff

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    • Overmage
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      2 attack skills only halves your effectiveness for each situation

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    • Holyhades666
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      I've been thinking. I wonder how effective GoW3 + ToF + Payback on a PK would be? Considering that with the 30% wis boost from GoW3, basically everything in your party would go first in PvP, so even though there's a chance something wouldn't get 1 hit in PvP (unless you use a cyclops or an ignus in your party), because everything goes before the other team you could have everything else basically as clean up.

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    • Overmage
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      It's the number 1 PvP skill setup for PK, kind of crappy in raid boss events though

      Stick that PK with three Tawiscara and an Ira (Montu against line brigades) and you're gold

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    • Holyhades666
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      So it's not a good idea to run GoW3 on PK with a WIS team then? o_o.

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    • Overmage
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      No

      wasting all that agi man, and most high-tier wis fams bar managarmr or Garuda need some sort of wisdom buff to OHKO

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    • 66.74.35.194
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      Currently have BoMB, Payback, and Head Bash on my PK for the upcoming SRB, all fams I run are either atk or wis based, would you suggest I change anything, in regards for SRB.

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    • Overmage
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      Not really it all looks good

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    • Waileukwu
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      I am opting to put grace of wind 3 on my WL since i have 2 Infested Peryton and building a third, but my hippogriff is horrible, so should I go for  BW 2 instead?  In that case, should I go with ToF or Headbash?

      As for def skill either Syphon or C&D, no payback yet

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      Erh, BW2 isn't good on PK. you'd put it on a WK, RS, or BB.

      For PK, if you want PvE, whirlwind, if you want pvp, ToF. That's how powerful ToF on a WiS warlord is..

      Def skill syphon, PK is fragile, C&D is suicide

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    • 218.103.122.23
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      My purple using Torrent of Flame, Boon of Mind and Shield 2 and Venomstorm now.

      However, I want change out the Venomstorm to payback and change out the Mind and shield to Bulwark.

      Any brother can give me a suggestion is that work? Or more good suggestion can teach me?

      My main familiar using is adara x 2 and Ioskeha x 2

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    • Overmage
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      First, register for an account or you might not see replies properly.

      Secondly, two attacks don't stack, so change out venomstorm for paybackindeed.

      Changing BOMS2 to Bulwark is a bad idea for PK. PK is squishy, so boosting her survivability is shoring up her weak point. It makes more sense to play to her strengths, namely her his WIS allowing her WIS-based buffs to buff for a lot.

      However, you're running Adara. Adara is an incredible familiar but she does MUCH better on a White Knight / Red Samurai / Black Brute brigade than she does on a PK brigade. Consider re-rolling a more defensively-oriented warlord if you want to use your Adaras to the maxmimum potential. You can even consider Blue Beard.

      Switch out Ioskeha for Managarmr. Maybe acquire a Spellforged Cyclops to protect it.

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    • 110.232.35.110
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      I put Flash of Rage on lv 90ish PK. Currently have ~53,000 wisdom with elite bonus, so why does each FoR strike do only 25K damage?

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    • MalisKian
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      FoR only does 80% of wisdom, plus the enemies still get the defense from their wisdom. 

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    • HitDatPact
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      Def: Payback

      Off: ToF

      Open: BoMS

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    • Casal9712
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      reply to #206
      MalisKian wrote:
      FoR only does 80% of wisdom, plus the enemies still get the defense from their wisdom. 

      it is actually 90% i believe

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      You're right, it's 90%.  I was thinking of Berserk.

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    • 110.232.35.89
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      So if im going for raid damage, I should put Head Bash instead of FoR. It seems like Head Bash will do around 3X the damage from front row.

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    • Overmage
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      that;s right!

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    • 24.144.62.76
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      Just a quick question what sort of skill type would heal and recall be in. Does it take the defense, attack, or buff? I have TOF and BoMS but cant get payback yet so was looking for a placeholder that might be at least somewhat useful.

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    • Babyseal
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      Your best bet would be Syphon i think? Heals and Recalls falls under the attack category :)

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    • 24.144.62.76
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      Thank you. I have a few of the guys with syphon. So other than syphon and payback what are the other def skills?

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    • Babyseal
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      This page will help you. But for PK you should only choose payback,syphon, maybe grin and bear it cause of its low def

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    • Waileukwu
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      grin or syphon?  my pk either takes tiny amount of damage, or gets 1 hit killed (though she is still lvl 120 since the server haven't lifted the bar yet)

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    • Overmage
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      heal and recall are attacks.

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